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Last post 22-07-2008, 2:21 AM by ROOSTER. 531 replies.
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  •  12-05-2008, 10:09 PM 274993 in reply to 274743

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    You have lost it buddy. Wait a minute ! You never had it! As I have previously tried to get in your head. The RL players have a go at other football codes to complement there ultimate goal for training to be fit for RL on game day. The same does not apply to other codes. Work it out buddy!

    It might pay the GAYFL players to have a go at playing RL to toughen them up a bit! Then they can appreciate how soft a sport they are playing! They may pump their chests out with their sleeveless tops and talk the talk but do not walk the walk!

    By the way seeing as Dogged is clearly an GAYFL person, I found an interesting fact about TV ratings for last years Grandfinals between NRL & AFL. The figures have the NRL GF outrating the AFL by over 400,000 on an Australia wide scale which includes regional areas, not just metropolitan viewers.

  •  12-05-2008, 11:20 PM 275004 in reply to 274993

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    Adrian Barich did play for Western Reds....  http://www.fullpointsfooty.net/ACTToC_half_backs.htm    he was a good player btu when he was washed up and no longer able to cope with aussie rules he stepped down a few levels to play rugby league...for two seasons - he must have been good enough for them to have him back for two seasons yet he was a retired AFL player!!...fool!!..but I'm gald I can educate you...

    again mate, why dumb down AfL tackling practice to the easier 180 degree options and running into three stationary and waiting tacklers...it doesn't happen in aussie rules and would be pointless training... 

    yes they were punters...so what!?...bennet made it to their USA allstar game he was that good...and rocha & bennet do come off the line mix it up with tackles unlike american punters...in fact both were reprimanded by their teams for doing so because it is not their role... what NRL players have ever made it - none...

     

     

     

  •  12-05-2008, 11:58 PM 275014 in reply to 275004

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    Dogged.

    Rugby League players do not play like ballerinas when they go on the football field. But they are open minded enough to play other codes during training sessions. If you have ever played RL you would realise how much of a sook you really are! You are basically supporting the effeminisation of the Australian male by trying to fool people that AFL is a tough sport! It may have the odd clash as in all sports, but nowhere near the impacts of an RL game! You have nvever played RL I have played AFL for training. I have already stated it was fun, but nowhere near as tough as RL. Once you recognise that, you may start to show the proper respect a much harder football code (RL) deserves!

  •  13-05-2008, 12:46 AM 275039 in reply to 275014

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    ROOSTER, we have all learnt to pretty much just let dogged carry on about whatever he wants now, there is no possible way of reasoning with him. You might-aswell go have the same debate with the cat. He will totally ignore all points that he cannot rebut (and there are plenty of them). If you go back and read his posts in relation to the questions asked of him you will see exactly what im talking about. Dogged has had many 'last posts' in which he claims he will never come back and post here, but low and behold he just keeps on coming back...

     

    Also it is worth noting dogged, that your saviour Barich did not make one first grade appearance in his two seasons with the reds. Someone else has already posted this, but as usual you've ignored it

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_Barich
  •  13-05-2008, 1:02 AM 275043 in reply to 275039

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    Super Steve,

    Ignorance is a funny thing! It can haunt you and try to taunt you. But it is good to get the genuine facts out there and allow an insight to pierce through the shallow shell. At least let the ignoramus know how ignorant he has proven to be. The penny may drop one day! He should be welcoming the footy code that really makes Aussies tough instead of putting up a case for  'hardmen' imposters.

  •  13-05-2008, 1:26 AM 275052 in reply to 275043

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    Speaking about the western reds, would it not be good one day to see Victoria verse W.A  state of origin , probably take about another 10 years or so but could be on the agender one day. That newcastle player corey i think his name is has got origin written all over him, we would have to get the victorian players toughened up to compete, i suppose going soft playing aussie rules down there has not helped them over the last 150 years give or take 50 years?
  •  13-05-2008, 4:16 AM 275103 in reply to 275052

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    I would like to see a Magpies badge back in the comp. So I'm suggesting that the WA club be called the WA Magpies with colours and a similar guernsey to the traditional Wests one of the 70s&80s. This club could have an association with the Sydney based club. The West Tigers can do a simple namechange to the Balmain Campbelltown Tigers. By doing this old Wests fans can have some identity back and so can that famous name of Balmain be recognised again. Likewise, Many lost Norths fans would come back to the game if the Central Coast Bears were established.(Same colours as the NS Bears ofcourse) Another Queensland club,probably from northern Brisbane/Sunshine Coast area would be strategically important to the game. Perhaps the northern Brisbane club of Redcliffe could be the backing club for the Sunshine Coast Dolphins.(Maybe share Suncorp Stadium till a suitable venue is erected in such an area) Two of these areas have readymade juniors and established markets.And from what Ive heard WA is a burgeoning RL frontier. It would be wiser to expand into the established areas and then newer areas.
  •  13-05-2008, 2:11 PM 275197 in reply to 274623

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    dogged:

    you would have noticed in the media that the AFL CEO doesn't even want to run this 'Vic v Dream Team' again next season....it was just a one off....

    When did he say that?

  •  13-05-2008, 3:04 PM 275215 in reply to 274654

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    dogged:
    RL players using aussie rules as training!?...well that's interesting - never heard that before...most RL players simply don't have the aerobic fitness required to last 10 mins playing aussie rules, let alone basic "catching skills" or kicking skills....it'd be very amusing seeing RL players trying to play aussie rules - it's be just like watching u9s...  

    The best play makers from most NRL clubs probably possess better kicking skills than the "best" Australian Rules Football player of all time.  The best Australian Rules Football player cannot put up a bomb and have it land with pin point accuracy.  Nor can he put in a grubber kick and have it sit up exactly where he wants it.  Nor can he put in a punt that has back spin on it.  Kicking long and putting in a few chips is the only thing that Australian Rules Football players can do with their feet.

    The balls used in Australian Rules Football are designed so they can travel further through the air than the balls used in Rugby League.

    It would be a rarity to see an Australian Rules Football player place kick the ball with the same accuracy as Jonathon Thurston, Hasem El Masri, Michael Witt, Mathew Ridge and Darryl Halligan. The old "Aussie Rules" players stopped place kicking the ball many decades ago.  All they're capable of doing these days is punting it.  Pretty pathetic, huh?

    Catching a bomb is more difficult than catching a punt kick.  Catching a 20 metre long spinning pass that is thrown at pace and offloading it quicky isn't easy.  It's far more difficult than catching a punt and then taking 10 or so seconds to decide who it will be kicked to..

    Handballing is the only aspect of Australian Rules Football that is admirable.  Especially when the players can handball the ball over 10 metres.

     

    oikee:

    Would also be interesting to watch aussie rules players play league, you guys would not last 5 minutes on a league feild. No good trying to compare the 2 games dogged, we all know who the toughest of the 2 sports are i think. Long legs are a no-no in league, you would be off in the 1st tackle, their skinny legs would snap in half.   We dont need to get into a fighting match about the tougher game, if you think you do then bring it on, why do you think that league is so popular in our 2 states, "as you keep telling us", its the toughest sport on earth.

    Have a look at the origin consept on google, the aussie rules have said its dead and buried, this is good thinking on their behalf, if you try to revive it would be the death-knell of your sport, people dont rate your origin concept, even your own administrators have rejected the notion, read the last report i posted.

    I had to play Australian Rules Football in a Grade 10 Physical Education class.  I kept on geting penalised for tackling the ball carriers. I tackled them the same way I tackled in Rugby Union.  My defence in Rugby Union wasn't that great.  The tackling in Rugby League is far more brutal than the tackling in Rugby Union.

    Therefore, if a Rugby Union styled tackle is too "rough" for Australian Rules Football players, then the AFL's players wouldn't like the NRL.

  •  13-05-2008, 3:15 PM 275220 in reply to 274691

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    ROOSTER:

    I dont think you understand the type of fitness required in a rugby league game. It involves more than just running. Imagine if you were in a wrestle, appreciate that sought of fitness many times over . I have played Aust Rules for training and thought it was fun, but definitley nowhere near as hard and tough as RL! You must appreciate this point or you will never have a balanced view of sport.As I stated,and all soccer guys I have met,all recognise RL as the toughest football code without a doubt! These soccer guys acknowledge this fact, whereas the Aust Rules players are deluded if they think Aust Rules is near RL for genuine toughness! In the boast for machoism RL wins hands down!

    As one of my learned friends once put it, "The Ausie Rules attack on RL is akin to the effeminisation of the Australian male!"

    You're right.  I have played Rugby League, Rugby Union and Australian Rules Football.  I developed the following thoughts on the three games.

    Rugby League

    The roughest, toughest game to play was Rugby League.  Tackling was very difficult -- being tackled hurt.  The 10-metre-rule was excruciating on my lower leg muscles.  Having to run 10 metres backwards in order to get onside and then having to move up off the line at pace was torturous.

    Rugby Union

    Scary.  Especially when it came to being on the bottom of a ruck.  Knowing that any of the players who were trying to secure possession of the ball could have stood on me was scary.  Being in the middle of a scrum/maul was pretty scary, too.  I was a prop and I played with the older kids, so I was often pitted against people who were far taller than me when I packed down in the scrum.

    Australian Rules Football

    Crap.  Not enough muscle in it.  The players run around like fairies.

  •  14-05-2008, 5:27 AM 275485 in reply to 275004

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    AFL expecting less than 5000 crowd on the gold coast.

    http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23693539-2722,00.html

     


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  •  14-05-2008, 10:20 AM 275553 in reply to 275485

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    I also found this in the same paper druzik, there was also talk about soccer gobbling up there players at grass roots,  Rugby League had a story about trying to intice women to the game, we have never been able to do this in australia which is why soccer has got so many juniors in their ranks, the young generation are all following soccer too,  will just have to wait for them to grow up before we can intice them back to league. Soccer is also in the best position because they have got 1 or 2 teams per-city.

    NOW we are getting serious. The friendly, almost zealous reaction by the 16 AFL clubs to new teams on the Gold Coast and in western Sydney is turning bitter before our eyes. The collection of presidents who tumbled out from a meeting with the commission in February, back-slapping and chanting a chorus of "bring it on", are having second thoughts. If they had any in the first place.

    For one, Collingwood's Eddie McGuire does not want Gold Coast to have salary cap concessions if it debuts, as planned, in 2011. Carlton and West Coast fear for the rest of the competition if the generous benefits in draft and trading planned for the new teams proceeds.

    Greg Swann, chief executive of the Sycophants, has declared Gold Coast will have a premiership in five years if the AFL continues with its plan to smother the franchise with the jewels of the draft and the uncontracted player list.

    Along with Trevor Nisbett, chief executive of West Coast, Swann has called for debate and even more caution before the present 16 clubs are, perhaps, fatally compromised in their own development.

    All of this makes sense, for there is a growing concern that the AFL has embarked on its expansion plans with fervour more Pentecostal than realistic. As it works to make the Australian winter the domain principally of the indigenous game, the running of the code, the nuts and bolts of playing a match, have been treated cursorily at best. Timing stuff-ups, interchange mismanagement, unsafe workplaces, an utterly bewildering judicial system. The very workings of the game are being lost in the incense.

    To get a sense of why the AFL is suddenly fast-tracking the growth of the game, you need only look at the headlines in The Australian this week. Look at Tuesday's edition: Bennett gives New Zealand a sense of history. Origin door open to Prince. Adopt Super 14 laws, says Dean. Star Olyroo facing the axe.

    Next day the headlines read: Kiwis lacking respect: Smith; Karmichael in Origin hunt despite boiling Billy; Rising star too young for under-/20s; Blues stir emotions dormant for 40 years. Three days of union, rugby league and soccer as representative and international sport.

    All of this in a week that the AFL is playing a match to celebrate the first 150 years of our brand of football. A Victorian team, picked on state-of-origin guidelines, will play the rest of the best - the Dream Team. In the AFL community the discussion is not about who is in the team, who should be playing on whom, what are the consequences of a win/loss?

    Rather, it is why are we playing it anyway, who cares about the result, it is not a football match but merely a public relations contrivance.

    As well, the growth of the code nationally has suffocated the rebirth of the concoction of that game the AFL plays with Ireland. Its return, announced last month after a two-year hiatus while selectors waited for the Irish footballers who played in the last series to be released from intensive care, has effectively gone unnoticed.

    Representative football - if it is not the AFL's achilles heel, it is at least its recurring shredded hamstring. That is why the AFL is moving so rapidly to plug holes in its national structure. A kid playing soccer, union or rugby league has the chance to represent his state and his country. Strut around the international stage. With cable television bringing more and more sport of every form from every place, the insignificance of AFL on the world stage is manifest.

    No doubt the A-League and the World Cup appearances in Germany have been an accelerant for the AFL's wholehearted push locally and its optimistic ventures into South Africa, Dubai and Ireland.

    As sport loses its traditional boundaries, the AFL finds itself at both its strongest and weakest. The league is thriving in its traditional states. Crowds are rocketing towards record levels again with a round of football now regularly drawing more than 300,000 spectators. AFL dominates the media from Victoria to Western Australia.

    The chance of the AFL playing international games - of any consequence or of half-competent standard - remains zip despite the optimism of some league commissioners who see competitive series against South Africa within 20 years.

    By definition a sport that relies on club allegiances alone has finite growth. Once the AFL secures its foothold on the Gold Coast, in western Sydney and finally recognises Tasmania, well, that is about it. The fight for the ACT has been lost, the Northern Territory a dream. The 10 Victorian teams are a cluster of clubs, many on life support from the AFL, which anchors the growth of the game.

    Rather than North Melbourne move to the Gold Coast, it fights for life in Melbourne and, thus, the competition is grossly compromised as the AFL must twist the normal recruiting conventions to invent a second side in Queensland. All other codes offer their participants and supporters and their next generations a dream beyond Australian shores.

    The AFL cannot even sell Victoria against the Rest Of The World because supporters are now so centred on their own clubs. The AFL must win the battle of the Gold Coast and western Sydney - it has nothing else for which to fight.

  •  14-05-2008, 10:47 AM 275564 in reply to 275553

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    oikee:

    ... The 10 Victorian teams are a cluster of clubs, many on life support from the AFL, which anchors the growth of the game...

    Now that is an interesting comment... does this suggest that clubs are NOT as profittable as some might suggest and the figures shown could be contrived to show otherwise?


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  •  14-05-2008, 11:22 AM 275574 in reply to 275564

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    Problem brewing over the AFL's international rules series this year.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7399153.stm

     


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  •  14-05-2008, 9:02 PM 275981 in reply to 275485

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    That is embarrassing Druzik - terrible...only 5000 to an AFL game on the gold coast...what they should do is put an urgent call in to channel nine and get some tips....they have plenty of experience covering NRL games played in empty stadiums - it amazes me how the 'crowds' and these empty NRL games actually make any noise at all 0 they must park crowd microphones under every seat and turn the volume to 10...so yes mate it is bad and i think the AFL needs to get on the phone straight away to the NRL/channel nine becasue they've been broadcasting games from empty stadiums for decades...they're the experts....

     when the gold coast has its own team they will do better...nobody on gold coast would follow roos or west coast...

    i keep getting accused of ignoring things..what you've all ignored is a broken down AFL player was signed and trained for two season with a top tier RL team...and he did play reserves for them and one first garde trail match...to be involved at that level over two seasons meant he was at least in contention - and all this from an old retired AFL player...a retired football player who couldn't hack aussie rules any more because it was too demanding but who was given a go - and paid as a professional - to play the supposedly  tougher game of RL...clearly for him RL wasn't the tougher game at all - it was the softer option he went to when he was too old, slow and unfit to hack aussie rules any more....anyway as usual i expect you all to ignore my point,....aussie rules players retire to the easier codes of NFL and NRL...aussie rules is levels above NRL in terms of being physically demanding so much so that old retired AFL players are still able to be considered to play first grade and paid as professional players...the majority of RL players wouldn't even pass minimum fitness tests or skinfold tests AFL teams require....

    and as for skills!? - mate kicking/catching skills of RL players are laughable - NRL players look so uncoorindated - really an u13 AFL player has far better kicking and catching skills that a professional NRL player and you would expect this because the whole game of aussie rules is based on kicking/catching...kicking/catching is not really a big part of RLeague....you just need to be able to run headlong into three stationary tacklers and keep that up for 80 mins....that's the main 'skill' you need...if there are skills in RL it's certainly not kicking/catching....and the so called precision in bombs and scrubbers you're talking about is very very basic stuff any u13s kid could do - and do far better...

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