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We have a choice between RL.or RU.

Last post 03-01-2009, 8:38 PM by sal.rich. 336 replies.
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  •  25-11-2008, 12:39 AM 394963 in reply to 394959

    Re: We have a choice between RL.or RU.

    Have you noticed that the NRL players are all up for it and the Super 14 players don't want anything to do with it.
  •  25-11-2008, 1:44 AM 394977 in reply to 394957

    Re: We have a choice between RL.or RU.

    arh21980:

    Mate as a rugby union supporter how do you feel when a league player crosses code like sailor, rogers, farrell and takes up a spot of a player thats played union most of there life. Only saying this because a few months back during the tri-nations the 3/4 of the wallabies backline had played league or connected to league

     

    i dont like it.players like berrick barnes who played rugby alot as a junior and im pretty sure he played AUS schoolboys i agree with converting back but i think buying players from the nrl for the sake of it is wrong

    Bugehead

  •  25-11-2008, 1:47 AM 394979 in reply to 394959

    Re: We have a choice between RL.or RU.

    magaoidh:

    Buglehead, I didnt even know that R.L. was ALLOWED to be played in so many countries until I came onto this site.R,U by nature is ultra conservative because being the first code they are defending what they have got while R.L.if it is seen to be gaining ground there will be a reaction by R.U.Hence what Druzik said re Germany!

      Using WWII France as a yardstick R.L. had more appeal to the masses on a level playing field.

      The proposal mooted for a R.U./R.L. match in OZ is looking at changing the rules for both codes??? A 12 man team e.g. there may be grounds for amalgamation if both codes accept progressive changes, but by the nature of R.U.the establishment politics will stand in the way!!!

    hey could u tell me more about this RU/RL game

    Bugehead

  •  25-11-2008, 2:14 AM 394995 in reply to 394946

    Re: We have a choice between RL.or RU.

    Budgehead! You just wont budge will you. Many RU supporters have an educated background but show shamefull ignorance when it comes to historical fact! I spoke to an RU supporter after the final at the Caxton hotel and he asked me why RU was more international than RL. I gave 2 examples, and he was visibly enlightened by my information. I used the French RU collaborating with the Germans in 1942 & the South Afrecan RU banning players if they chose tp play RL in 1995 afetr the Rhinos were flogged 82-6 in Gateshead Englend.
  •  25-11-2008, 2:42 AM 395002 in reply to 394995

    Re: We have a choice between RL.or RU.

    There is no shamefull ignorance in RU's history ok and i am so sick of ppl like u who just bag on RU all the time. im trying to discuss the two codes with some1 else alrite. The french collaborating with germans u show me some proof then il believe that. if the south african players really wanted to play RL instead of RU they wouldnt care if they got banned and what r the rhinos?

    Bugehead

  •  25-11-2008, 2:52 AM 395004 in reply to 394977

    Re: We have a choice between RL.or RU.

    I agree with you with Berrick Barnes who played up here school boys but not buying players i.e Lote Tuquiri, Timana Tahu, Ryan Cross just to put bums on seats is abit sad for australian rugby. Some said on a another topic that England rugby is not going to buy players any more. I see Le Blues are going to struggle in a few years because of instead of developing there own players they just go out and buy players.  

  •  25-11-2008, 3:45 AM 395020 in reply to 395002

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    I think Druzik has access to a book about the French example. And you are getting touchy and defensive about reality budgehead. Yes RU is the bad ugly older brother and the years of torment and disdain that sport has put on RL will come out to roost so to speak! It was good RU has turned professional . Now RU has ventured into the market , an unbiased sports follower told me, "RU will die a very slow death!" RU is a flawed game propagated by the establishment,and I have always stood by this philosophy,"You cannot keep a good game down!" And ultimatley that will be proven over time!
  •  25-11-2008, 4:01 AM 395023 in reply to 395004

    Re: We have a choice between RL.or RU.

    arh21980:

    I agree with you with Berrick Barnes who played up here school boys but not buying players i.e Lote Tuquiri, Timana Tahu, Ryan Cross just to put bums on seats is abit sad for australian rugby. Some said on a another topic that England rugby is not going to buy players any more. I see Le Blues are going to struggle in a few years because of instead of developing there own players they just go out and buy players.  

    I hope that le blues and aussie rugby come to their senses and develop our youth and to stop buying past their peak league players. id rather loose with our players than win with ex nrl players.

    Bugehead

  •  25-11-2008, 4:08 AM 395026 in reply to 395020

    Re: We have a choice between RL.or RU.

    ROOSTER:
    I think Druzik has access to a book about the French example. And you are getting touchy and defensive about reality budgehead. Yes RU is the bad ugly older brother and the years of torment and disdain that sport has put on RL will come out to roost so to speak! It was good RU has turned professional . Now RU has ventured into the market , an unbiased sports follower told me, "RU will die a very slow death!" RU is a flawed game propagated by the establishment,and I have always stood by this philosophy,"You cannot keep a good game down!" And ultimatley that will be proven over time!

    see y do that y bagg on my game. RU will not die. hu is this unbiased sports follower. how is it a flawed game but ur right bout 1 thing "you cannot keep a good game down" and that is why RU will not die that is why it is striving everywhere. so mayb u should look at reality and realise RU is staying and it will never die buddy

    Bugehead

    P.S. dont reply i dont want to hear u continue to put my game down

  •  25-11-2008, 4:23 AM 395030 in reply to 395023

    Re: We have a choice between RL.or RU.

    Those teams need to look at All Blacks at how they structure themselves.
  •  25-11-2008, 4:58 AM 395035 in reply to 395026

    Re: We have a choice between RL.or RU.

    I personally like  both codes. But overall RL is my preference, I can sit there and watch the southern hemisphere teams play rugby but as soon as a northern hemisphere team becomes involved its like watching glorified force them backs
  •  25-11-2008, 5:05 AM 395038 in reply to 395026

    Re: We have a choice between RL.or RU.

    It has only been since you have been discussing things with Druzik that you have settled down. You have bagged RL the moment you entered this forum. I myself have been called a stupid *** & a motherf**** because you aren't articulate enough to respond civilly. I think you should spend a bit of time in the house of mirrors & have a long look at yourself. "P.S. dont reply i dont want to hear u continue to put my game down" kind of childish don't you think considering you are on a RL forum?

    Swamp

  •  25-11-2008, 5:07 AM 395039 in reply to 395030

    Re: We have a choice between RL.or RU.

    arh21980:
    Those teams need to look at All Blacks at how they structure themselves.

    Who needs to look at the Choke Blacks for information about what ???

  •  25-11-2008, 5:25 AM 395045 in reply to 394726

    Re: We have a choice between RL.or RU.

    Druzik:
    I'll need to verify this with someone but the AFL scoring system actually comes from another old and dead football code called Shefield Football.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheffield_Rules

  •  25-11-2008, 5:37 AM 395047 in reply to 395002

    Re: We have a choice between RL.or RU.

    bugehead92:

    There is no shamefull ignorance in RU's history ok and i am so sick of ppl like u who just bag on RU all the time. im trying to discuss the two codes with some1 else alrite. The french collaborating with germans u show me some proof then il believe that. if the south african players really wanted to play RL instead of RU they wouldnt care if they got banned and what r the rhinos?

    Bugehead

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    The game of rugby league suffered in France during the Second World War, as the French rugby union authorities worked with the collaborating Vichy regime to have rugby league banned. Some players and officials of the sport were punished (not reinstated in the French rugby union), whilst some of the assets of the rugby league and it's clubs were handed over to the union.

    After the war the French game was re-established and the French became one of rugby league’s major powers, competing in the Rugby League World Cup and major international series against Great Britain, Australia and New Zealand."

    Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France_national_rugby_league_team#Forties

     

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    Tuesday, 8 October, 2002, 08:52 GMT 09:52 UK

    French rugby league fights for rights
    Archive picture of pre-war game
    Even today the sport is still marginalised
    Hugh Schofield

    If you've ever been to Vichy, you'll know how hard it is to spot the landmarks of the wartime era.

    Understandably perhaps, there are no signs up saying: "Come and visit the home of France's disgrace. Gestapo headquarters - this way."


    After the war rugby
    league was unbanned -
    but in the spirit of
    deliberate amnesia,
    no-one wanted to explore
    too closely what had
    happened

    The centre of the town is in fact of extraordinary 19th Century elegance - the Emperor Napoleon III wanted Europe's royalty to make Vichy and its spa an annual fixture. So it's all shady promenades, bandstands, and a glassed-in sanatorium for the taking of the waters.

    But if you want to see the hotel where Marshal Petain ran his collaborationist government - or where the various ministries and foreign embassies were - then you need a good guide.

    The legacy of World War II has passed into history now - only people in their 70s or older will actually remember when their town was the seat of government - but I had come to Vichy to explore one curious footnote from that time.

    Young upstart

    Because it was in December 1941 - in his office overlooking the park - that Philippe Petain signed an order prepared for him by the ministry of sport... banning rugby league.

    Part of the infamous decree banning rugby league
    Part of the infamous banning decree
    Why - you might ask - would a government troubled enough with haggling with the Nazi occupier, registering Jews, and promoting its catholic-nationalist revolution, bother suppressing a game enjoyed by tens of thousands of young men?

    The story is a complicated one, and one which has repercussions down to this day.

    In the 1930s French rugby league - or rugby a treize (rugby for 13) - was rugby union's upstart younger cousin.

    It arrived in France as late as 1934 - half a century after the 15-man game - but in the five years before the start of World War II, it advanced so quickly as to pose a real challenge to the supremacy of rugby union.

    Rugby union was in steep decline. The national team was banned from the Five Nations tournament because of violence on the pitch, and the number of clubs was falling every year.

    Lobbying

    Rugby league was taking up the slack, and as sports papers from the time show, there was a groundswell of enthusiasm for the game - culminating in 1939 when the national side went to St Helens and became the first French team - in any sport - to beat England on their home ground.

    Vichy rugby league team
    Vichy has its own team today
    By the outbreak of war there were 225 league clubs in France - all set up in just five years.

    Rugby league was a professional game - players signed annual contracts with their clubs and had control over their careers.

    It was seen as a modern, innovative sport - and was closely associated with the left-wing Popular Front government that came to power in France in 1936.

    This was already enough to damn it in the eyes of the Petain government, but what modern research has shown is that the decision to actually prohibit the sport was the result of lobbying from powerful figures within rugby union close to the Vichy regime.

    This year a French government inquiry found that "influential officials in the French Rugby Federation endeavoured to eliminate the competitor, which they claimed was a deviant form of rugby union."

    Blacklist

    So the ban came in. Rugby league's assets were seized, grounds were taken over, players were invited to repent.


    Right up until 10 years
    ago it was actually
    forbidden to call itself
    rugby at all

    Those who didn't were blacklisted.

    Of course all this would be just a fascinating historical anecdote were it not for the fact that - acording to many rugby league enthusiasts - the effects of the ban are still being felt today.

    After the war rugby a treize was unbanned - but in the spirit of deliberate amnesia, no-one wanted to explore too closely what had happened.

    The result was that the game never received full recognition and indeed right up until 10 years ago it was actually forbidden to call itself rugby at all. Officially it was the jeu a treize - the game for 13.

    The sport never got its assets back, and it's still impossible for anyone studying to become a state sports instructor to take rugby league as their option.

    Some clubs find it hard to get access to playing fields.

    No compensation

    And the state of the sport in general?

    Marginalised.

    Today 20,000 people play it, compared with the quarter of a million who play rugby union.

    The national side is no longer seen as a serious international competitor, and an attempt to get a French club into the British-based superleague collapsed.

    And so to today - when after years in which the sport's governing body preferred not to rock the boat - a new generation of supporters is emerging that wants the truth to be told.

    They know financial compensation is unlikely.

    But they want government help for the sport, and above all an official apology... for that signature 61 years ago, in a hotel overlooking the park.

    Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/2307043.stm

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